Palladius said; 'I have already said, we answer you in discussion as we can; for you wish to be sole judges, and at the same time parties to the case. We do not answer you now, but we will answer you in a General and full Council.'
Ambrose, Bishop, said; 'Anathema to him who denies that Christ is the mighty Lord.'
All the Bishops said; 'Anathema.'
33. It was likewise recited; "Alone mighty, Judge of all."
Palladius said; 'the Son of God, the Judge of all. There is Who gives, there is who receives.'
Ambrose, Bishop, said; 'Did He give by grace or nature? Men also have judgement given them.'
Palladius said; 'Do you call the Father greater or not?'
Ambrose, Bishop, said; 'I will answer you afterwards.'
Palladius said; ' I do not answer you, if you do not answer me.'
Eusebius, Bishop, said; 'Unless you condemn in order the impiety of Arius, we will give you no power of asking questions.'
Palladius said; ' I do not answer you.'
Ambrose, Bishop, said; 'Is the Son of God, as has been read, Judge or not?'
Palladius said; 'If you do not answer me, I do not answer you, as being an impious person.'
34. AMBROSE, Bishop said; 'You have my profession, whereby I will answer you. In the mean time, let Arius' letter be read through.' And he added: 'In that letter you will find that sacrilegious argument also which you are endeavouring at.'
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Eusebius, Bishop, said; 'We call the Son of God equal God.'
Palladius said: 'You are Judge: your note-takers are here.'
Ambrose, Bishop, said; 'Let any of yours write, who please.'
35. PALLADIUS said; 'Is the Father greater or not?'
Eusebius, Bishop, said; ' In respect of His Godhead the Son is equal to the Father. You have it in the Gospel that the Jews persecuted Him because He not only broke the sabbath, but also called God His Father, making Himself equal with God; what then impious men confessed while they persecuted, we who believe cannot deny.'
Ambrose, Bishop, said; 'And in another place you have: Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but emptied himself and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and became obedient unto death. You see that in the form of God He is equal to God. And he took, S. Paul says, the form of a servant. In what then is He less? In respect surely of His form of a servant, not of the form of God?'
Eusebius, Bishop, said; 'Just as, being established in the form of a servant, He was not less than a servant; so being established in the form of God, He could not be less than God.'
36. AMBROSE, Bishop, said; ' Or say that in respect of Godhead the Son of God is less.'
Palladius said; 'The Father is greater.'
Ambrose, Bishop, said; ' In respect of the flesh.'